oh how i love Kali
there are really no words
she just is
and that is so potent
i have to laugh out loud sometimes!
there are really no words
she just is
and that is so potent
i have to laugh out loud sometimes!
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Re: MuahaHa!
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:33 PMhmmm, i guess this tribe is kinda more serious and intellectual then i thought...
remember folks, Kali loves to laugh and joke too, its not easy being the
fierce one, tends to build a reputation thats hard to shake of being all business!
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 10:34 AMThat depends on what you think of Kali. To some Kali is a Goddess who exists somewhere out there in the form that we see in pictures and with a human personality attached. Then to others Kali represents a force in the Universe and/or a force that is within us that can be awakened through devotion. And even still, she can be viewed as all three.
Is it Kali that has reputations and likes to laugh and joke or is it us? Or is it both. Mother Kali is a very fierce aspect, and her tough love is very serious. But she does find humor in a lot of things. Kali in me laughs and regularly mocks peoples pre-conceived notions, and social conditioning and social structure.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 10:51 AMHey, I agree with you, One :) If the gods didn't have a sense of humor, it wouldn't exist! Kali is not necessarily considered a very light-hearted energy, hehe, but if she couldn't laugh, what could? Even the strictest mother can't help but laugh with her children. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:33 PMhmmm....good conversation to grease the brainwheel-however i dont wish to answer this with what i* think but rather from another place...
instinctually feeling Kali has a different form and relationship unique to each sentient being and that is beautiful!
i dont believe Kali mocks any of us, she loves us too much to mock us but rather feels compassion for our misguided ways
and kicks our asses out of love to straighten us out because at this point in our evolution this is the language we understand.
im open to receiving this tough love from her, and just need to scratch the surface of these so called *tragedies* incurred always revealing the most breathtaking treasures of Ma*s gifts! and this is what i can personally say makes me laugh out in joy and gratitude...and sometimes just laughter!
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:24 PMI never said she mocks us, I said she mocks social conditions, institutions, restrictions, taboos, moral codes, etc. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:28 PM> I said she mocks social conditions, institutions, restrictions, taboos, moral codes, etc.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:54 PMThe tantras say that where Kali is, there is no Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva. She is the ultimate truth, the nude Adya Shakti. Manifested existence is only what the Devi wears, as her body and clothes. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:57 PMMaha Lakshmi is the aspect that is everything manifested, which is why she wears so many ornaments. y. She is the reality that has no coverings, they have all been burned away as she dances on funeral pyres.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:01 PM> Manifested existence is only what the Devi wears, as her body and clothes.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:10 PMp.p.s. in my belief and humble offering here of it-Kali is more of a Slayer then a Mocker*~
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:21 AMIt's more of just a metaphor taken from the scriptures, rather than my personal opinion. It's more of also a personal belief and reality for some. An opinion is not necessarily a fact, but because everyone creates their own reality, anything is possible. Nothing is really impossible if you don't believe something to be impossible. Which is why I live in a world of endless possibility. I also respect everyone's beliefs as their truth and a possible truth. That is how miracles and magic is possible is by people who live in a world of endless possibility and very little to no limitations.
But something like her "clothes" and "body" as manifested reality is just more of a symbol. Whether or not it's an actual garment or body, I couldn't say! It's more likely it's just a metaphor but then I also question metaphorical things as well. It could very well be literal and it's also the deeper meaning it represents. Like a woman who changes her clothes, and changes as she ages and lives life, so does the Universe change, however the body and the clothes never effect the self. It's like the Yoni with the Lingam situated in the middle. You have the self at the core and then you have the body and outer sheaths and energy clinging all around. It's all just symbols to contemplate existence, and the inner existence more importantly.
Anyway, I am just throwing stuff out there of course as usual to be noted, contemplated, and questioned. I always appreciate and have fondness for when you note my thoughts and beliefs, Jody ;-) And how have you been anyway? -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:34 PM> how have you been anyway?
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I'm good. I'm presently in Amarillo, Texas, chasing tornadoes. We almost had one today, looking forward to better chances tomorrow.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 7:01 PMHahaha I end up hitting submit before I finish my thoughts lol. She should mock herself, anything that takes itself too seriously, anyone who cannot laugh at themselves is someone who cannot grasp much. Too many limitations. One of the biggest things I have learned to mock from Kali besides social restraints, is my own self. She makes me realize... Who the hell am I? And Why the hell do I think I know anything at all when in reality, I probably know next to nothing. Which is hysterical, because we all think we know everything. SO many think their truth is the only truth, their reality is the only reality, and that they know all there is to know and they are confident in that. Which is also the play of Maha Maya. When you approach reality as your mother, you learn something new every moment from mother. Mother Kali is the ultimate naked truth. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 7:57 PMkay i agree lets all take a moment to laugh at ourselves and everything we think we know*!! =D
those who are living fully engrossed ego existences are suffering-i dont believe the ego is mocked by Kali because its a part of us as a collective right now too in its many manifestations and forms...
the ego plays an essential role in our evolution. the ego deserves respect and compassion and having its butt kicked when
necessary because that is the language it understands sometimes...we/ego whatever-we are all of it-i dont think many if any folks here
can say they havnt had their bouts with ego, and i believe during those times Kali did not mock you/me/us or any part of us.
darkness needs loving attention wether that is gentle or tough too before it can transmute to love
therefore my stance well stands that Kali loves us too much to mock any part of us,
she wouldnt waste the time, she is too busy making shit happen*
thank you for the stimulating conversation!
im in the amazon jungle right now, its nice to speak er type english!
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:00 PMps. Which is hysterical, because we all think we know everything.
that is a broad statement! i can honestly say i dont think i know everything
but your right there is plenty to get hysterical about =D
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 7:29 AMYes but you seem to be apart from the herd that thinks and acts in the same way. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:17 AM> Yes but you seem to be apart
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It's made fairly clear in the shaktism of Ramakrishna that Ma *is* the manifest universe. You'll also find much of the same sentiment expressed by the shakta poets like Ramprasad, not to mention the shaktism of Shankara.
To divorce the Devi from "her coverings" is much more unusual in my book than taking Ma to be everything.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 7:32 AMFrom an article I saved:
"Kali's boon is freedom, the freedom of the child to revel in the moment, and it is won only after confrontation or acceptance of death. To ignore death, to pretend that one is physically immortal, to pretend that one's ego is the center of things, is to provoke Kali's mocking laughter. To confront or accept death, on the contrary, is to realize a mode of being that can delight and revel in the play of the gods. To accept one's mortality is to be able to let go, to be able to sing, dance, and shout. Kali is Mother to her devotees not because she protects them from the way things really are but because she reveals to them their mortality and thus releases them to act fully and freely, releases them from the incredible, binding web of "adult" pretence, practicality, and rationality."
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:55 PMFurthermore, She does not mock those of us who are our self, the eternal self. She mocks those with egos and false notions with her very existence. She not only mocks the ego, but she terrifies it as well. She is the ultimate truth and reality that burns away all false notions... Which is why people view her as terrifying. She devours all of manifested existence. To those who know the self, know she is beautiful because she is seen for her inner meaning and value which is beautiful. Those who live in the external through their external egos, view only her external aspect, which is probably the most terrifying thing the ego could ever see, is Mother Kali. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 5:09 PMwho is this one called *I*?
asmita is the *I*- maker, individual consciousness
but Self is the doer, root consciousness
realize this and be free..
Self was never born
and that which is not born,
does not die..
alas, save for the body.
Muuah hahahaha : )~
oh the Terror!
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:07 AMThe I is jalso important in order to have manifested existence. If there was no I, or You or Me, there would be no manifested Universe. It would all be formlessness which is the nature of the self. The body is born and the body dies, but it has it's pupose. When you completely and totally lose your sense of I, it's hard to remain manifested if your Shakti is identifying with the Self, which is formless, which means she will no longer identify with the physical body form, but the formless supreme.
I realize what the purpose of I is, and I allow it to run it's course, so I can continue my work here in the manifested field of existence, or rather, so Maa can continue her work. When she is ready to go back to formlessness then she will, but until I am totally liberated, I will still be an "I" to some degree or another. Which is fine by me, I know everything has a plan and a way and a purpose. Clearly I have a purpose of still having Ahamkara or my sense of I-ness, as does everyone else who has the sense of I-ness... It's all for a purpose or it would not be here.
Mother Maya and Ahamkara, is important, or else the would not exist. They don't simply disappear just like that. We will all identify on these levels as long as we remain manifested, and it's all for a purpose. When you have lost your sense of I, then of course... who needs the body? Your work is finished, or rather HER work is finished. -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:04 PM>>"it's hard to remain manifested if your Shakti is identifying with the Self, which is formless, which means she will no longer identify with the physical body form, but the formless supreme ... We will all identify on these levels as long as we remain manifested, and it's all for a purpose. When you have lost your sense of I, then of course... who needs the body? Your work is finished, or rather HER work is finished."
dear sister,
I can't really say for sure myself : )
is the Self formless... or can it also take a form at will?
Guru might not agree that Self is only formless. Guru is here to lead souls to liberation. how can one do so when they are not Self-realized beings themselves and in a body? consider that perhaps Guru does not have the kind of body that most humans possess, some call this a divinized body or a vajra body, depending on tradition.
the Vedas speak of an original sacrifice that makes the manifest universe possible, as well as individual consciousness, but at some point the one who thinks they're individualized starts to long for hOMe... then the real journey begins.
one does not need to identify with the body or the ahamkara completely in order to be embodied, as the nature of the ahamkara is deluding, constricting and veiling of truth... can't see a reason to want to remain in such limited awareness.
can you?
Jai Guru!
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:17 PMhey! how did you get your name to spell outside of the little square of your profile thumbnail??
neat trick
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:54 AM*I can't really say for sure myself : ) *
No you can't, nor can I. It is just answers of subjects that I pull deeply from within, it could also be answers I pull from deep within my ass.
*one does not need to identify with the body or the ahamkara completely in order to be embodied, as the nature of the ahamkara is deluding, constricting and veiling of truth... can't see a reason to want to remain in such limited awareness.
can you?*
Part of spiritual transformation can be both inner and outer. The body can change as well, and there are many things that you can do with a body. I am glad I have a body. I don't think ahamkara is deluding unless you consider it to be the only reality. My sense of I is just another aspect of reality that has endless possibilities. The reason to stay limited within a body is to do what is necessary to fulfill your karmas, to do spiritual work that requires a body, and to be able to learn from it. Everything no matter how limited you may sense it to be, is actually a learning experience, capable of being probed and studied.
*Guru might not agree that Self is only formless. Guru is here to lead souls to liberation. how can one do so when they are not Self-realized beings themselves and in a body?*
I was not talking about realization. I was talking about a state of liberation in which the life force within identifies with the out of body energy centers. There are six within, and 3 without. It is said that to reach the out of body *chakras* or levels of existence if you will, that you also have to BE out of body. There are many levels of liberation and realization within the body, but there comes a time and a place of liberation that requires all physical form to drop away because you are in a place of formlessness. IT is all only but one interpretation as well.
I also agree that it is possible to go to those places, and return and remain on that level but also be a part of Earth. I am not denying anything as possible nor am I claiming I have the answer for anything. I am just speculating the scriptures, and my own inner beliefs.
But the whole point is that there is a difference between enlightenment and full disembodied moksha. That is why when people reach high levels they go into various Samahdis, because it's almost impossible to use your body during that time... But that is FROM WHAT I AM TOLD. Not direct experience ;-) SO I could really never say, I can only just speculate. Which is all I am really doing here on tribe anyway is speculating something.
We also have to take in consideration that physically I am 21, and all sorts of things that come out of my mouth can be due to my own ignorance of youth. And that is ok by me, because I am learning from it.
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:55 AM
yeah... there is no replacement for actually doing the work or the experience that comes with it. ; )
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:50 PMAbsolutely, Amen Sister girl. I am beginning to be very fond of our interactions here. You are such an intelligent , open, and lovely manifestation of the Mother Divine.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:41 PMAs are you a beautiful embodiment of the grace of Mother, dear Rasa Mohini ...
Splendid in Her eternity like rays of the Moon.
Gratitude for your wisdom that you share, so well beyond your physical years.
Jai Maa!
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