What does it mean

topic posted Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:43 AM by  Chakora
I am doing Dyana and Mantra Japa of Chinnamastha Devi.. daily.. I do not follow major rituals but take bath at midnight, sit alone in very low light near dark with a japa mala and chant 3-4 rounds of mantra daily with her Picture in front of me.

Last 7 days I notice that when I am chanting the Japa, I feel spikes of electric chanrge in my nerves when I am chanting it. Something which makes my body jerk very mildly.. It builds up for 30 secs and gives a jerk subsides and slowly builds again after 4-5min..

What does this mean? Am i doing something wrong by not following rituals.

-C
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Chakora
India
  • Re: What does it mean

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:22 AM
    It could be releasing stress built up in the body. What I have heard that because of stress built up in the body, some type of liquid gathers in or near bone joints and that liquid gets released and that give us jerk. I often experience it even during first 5-10 minutes after sleep. It is anything serious, rather better.
  • Re: What does it mean

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:24 PM
    > Something which makes my body jerk very mildly.. It builds up for 30 secs and gives a jerk subsides and slowly builds again after 4-5min..
    *****
    I know someone who jerks like this while meditating, although much more intensely. I think they call that kriyas, involuntary movements which may occur spontaneously during meditation. As long as it's not painful, I wouldn't be worried about it, although there may be a chance they could grow more intense with continued japa.
  • Re: What does it mean

    Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:41 AM
    It usually means that Kundalini arousal is taking place. She is the Shakti that your body runs on, so you body is very much part of the process. I just hope that you are following this Dyana and Japa under the guidance of a guru... ESPECIALLY for Chinnamasta.
    • Re: What does it mean

      Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:56 AM
      I started off the process when my Guru visited our native place. I met him and had interactions with him for a month. But then he moved on.. Now I do not have access to him. But I have been doing this for the last 10 months.
      • Re: What does it mean

        Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:32 PM
        this sounds like a slight vata disorder, cleansing of the nadis and pranayamas before practice may help but I would go to an Ayurvedic Dr. to be sure.

        ~Om Shanti
      • Re: What does it mean

        Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:48 PM
        Well any Sadhana should be given and monitored by a qualified, competent, and realized Guru. Especially Sadhana of the Maha Vidya Goddesses. For example Chinnamasta, Tara, and Kali usually require that their Sadhana be performed in the Smashan. It's very dangerous Sadhana. You can lose your sanity or your life with one mistake.
        • Re: What does it mean

          Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:56 PM
          > You can lose your sanity or your life with one mistake.
          *****
          Old wives' tale, Hindu-style, noted.
          • Re: What does it mean

            Wed, May 14, 2008 - 4:51 AM
            I am more inclined towards Dakshinachara / Right Handed Approach to Sadhana. This was supposed to be safer than the Vamachara.

            My Guru told me to Pray to Lord Shiva before I pray to Devi. So I do abhisheka and japa (1 round) of Lord Shiva taking him as Guru before I start the Japa of Shakti.

            So far I had been using the Japa for achieving some materialistic benefits which were out of my control.

            In couple of cases I would sort of loose consciousness (or something like that) and suddenly become aware that I am still sitting and chanting the mantra but do not remember anything that happened over the last 15-30 min. I suddenly become conscious and that I am still chanting the mantra. I wonder whether I was asleep or got hypnotised or something else.

            In such cases I serious feel I should have a guru who can guide me in such situations. Only thing I see is that Lord Shiva as my Guru has asked me continue doing it.

            -C
            • Re: What does it mean

              Wed, May 14, 2008 - 4:13 PM
              "I suddenly become conscious and that I am still chanting the mantra. I wonder whether I was asleep or got hypnotised or something else."

              This is a very highly studied form of an Alpha state; experienced meditation practitioners can easily and quickly slip in and out of this state. While hypnotism has been broadly debunked, alpha states are created to put the mind in a highly suggestive state which can be conducive to taking in learning or other suggestion. There are other ways to induce this state of alpha waves thru repetition of sound, light, images, etc. Chanting is a great way to enter this, in fact, tent revivalist ministers, whether they understand it or not, speak in a cadence that can lull their audience members into an alphastate. I believe there is also a state where the brain is predominantly theta waves, which would be even deeper and more relaxed, perhaps you got that far. For the record, most daily waking activity is done in a beta state, predominantly beta waves. Not much supernatural to this I'm afraid, it can be reproduced in other fashions. There is a pretty large focus though on learning among people trying to sell you alpha inducing products or techniques, so there may be something to that.
          • Re: What does it mean

            Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:25 AM
            Well I have seen people who have lost their sanity doing sadhana, and also people who have become very sick. Swami G is one American Guru who helps people when this happens. There are many many people out there who have testified to having problems that mystified doctors and had no cure that could only be fixed by someone spiritually competent. I have seen it before my eyes, and I have also had dangerous experiences messing around with things I shouldn't have before my Guru.
            • Re: What does it mean

              Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:30 AM
              Doing Sadhana without a Guru might I add. Kundalini arousal without the appropriate preparations is very dangerous to the body and mind. It's f*cking with your life force, for a lack of better words. Gopi Krishna is one person who lived and had a very intense and painful experience trying to improperly awaken Kundalini. There are many people who have testified with the same symptoms of improper sadhana and Kundalini arousal... And some of them don't even know about these symptoms to just imagine them. Why would so many people experience the same thing if it was just a wives tale? There are mental and physical imbalance and dis-ease, there can also be disease and imbalance spiritually and with other systems of the embodied person.

              Almost everything is a wive's tale to you anyway...
              • Re: What does it mean

                Sat, May 17, 2008 - 1:07 PM
                I too heard about such possibilities lot of times. I have to admit: That is something that keeps me from going into a more rigorous sadhana.. I somehow tend to break it off sometimes. Cause "Devi Chinnamasta" is also the energy that activates the Susumna and the force that can help a fast awakening of Kundalini. I remember a quote "Chandi (Kali) works with Time (Kala) but Prachanda Chandi (Chinnamasta) works instantaneously" I wouldn't belittle it as a "wives tale". Chinnamasta is like electricity and She can drive you to perform or burn you down, depends on how you harness the energy she gives.

                My quest for Guru is actually on.. But I never found someone who matches with the Guru who initiated me into it.
                So far for me, Shiva is the best Guru. I did a 3 month rigorous Sadhana for Lord Shiva requesting him to be my Guru (as per Guru's direction).

                I want to know personal experiences of someone who had bad experiences. I want to learn from their experiences.
                -C
                • Re: What does it mean

                  Sat, May 17, 2008 - 1:20 PM
                  I agree with Rasa... but there are so many variants to this that it is hard to say, we are all individuals, so we will all respond differently ... adverse side effects will occur when someone is not respectful to the roots of the tradition, lineage, seer or Rishi of the mantra, as they all have seers that protect them to ensure that they do not get into the wrong hands...

                  On the flip side of the coin, or what is more likely to happen, is that there are many mantras out there that one can use without any difficulties... BUT, without direct transmission from a guru to use the mantra it may not have any real effects for the practitioner, meaning that the link will be too weak and of little help in regards to transformation or realization.

                  Jai Maa!
                • Re: What does it mean

                  Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:16 AM
                  Yes this energy is very powerful and will quickly destroy the ego. Thus the symbolism of the head being cut off and the three channels flowing effortlessly from the body. It's in my *opinion* that if one is not firmly grounded when this happens a lot of powerful, pleasant and also unpleasant experiences will occur during awakening. I am also a firm believer that Daily Practice to Shri Ganesha is very important to have a grounded muladhara, where he resides. Without a strong muladhara to ground you, you can have some intense experiences that will not be able to be grounded and possibly harm the delicate subtle channels. Lord Ganesh rides the Vahana of the Mouse, climbing into the subtle channels and clearing away the obstacles (these are the most important obstacles he removes for a true devotee). After he clears all your Nadis, then energy can flow effortlessly. It is said that when energy reaches a blockage or obstacle and has to burn it away is when painful experiences occur. Not to say you are having painful experiences, I just would not wish upon anyone the kind of painful experiences that can occur when a Kundalini is awakened in a person with blockages and does not have a good ground in the Muladhara.

              • Re: What does it mean

                Sat, May 17, 2008 - 1:07 PM
                ps. Jody is just like that Rasa... don't let him rile you.. he means well and he's got a really cute dog :-)
                • Re: What does it mean

                  Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:09 AM
                  Oh trust me, me and Jody have a tendency to go round and round. He is as logical as a college professor and I am as logical and practical as a 5 year old child who fiercely believes in magic ;-)

                  Me and Jody compliment each other well, I think. Two vastly differing opinions (though not always) that both have valid points and considerations to be... considered. :-D

                  I just woke up btw!

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