Music

topic posted Wed, June 11, 2008 - 8:22 PM by  Grihastha
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I'm curious as to whether anyone uses music or musical instruments in their practice - what, how and why? As a musician I'm attracted to the idea of musical sadhana, though I'll fess up and admit that I'm not entirely sure what that entails. But does music have a role in your everyday devotion, and how?
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  • Re: Music

    Wed, June 11, 2008 - 8:37 PM
    I like some devotional music purely for it's own sake, I listen to a lot of it, really. I always feel like I'm improving my Sanskrit when I contrast albums of chanting, and the percussion is really interesting in a lot of the devotional songs. I don't listen to any music during puja, I tend to concentrate better without it, although I enjoy festivals. there are quite (IMO) interesting regional forms of devotional music to listen to. I like that the devotional Bengali Shakta poets like Ramprasad and Kamalakanta represent an entrenched source of lyrics for Shyamasangeet in Bengal.
    • Re: Music

      Thu, June 12, 2008 - 5:56 AM
      Saul, I recently discovered sangeet. Been listening to them here: www.bhaktisangeet.com/bhajan/...i1.html. And there's a blog with some lyrics here: grandpoohbah.blogspot.com/2006/...t.html

      I love this one, by Nazrul Islam:

      Below the feet of my dark girl, come see Light itself dance
      Her beauty makes Shiv yield his breast, He whose hands hold Life and Death
      In the black girl's dark lap, infant sun and moon rock
      A small glimpse of Mother's beauty, is that giant calm blue heaven above ...
      The Earth couldn’t hold Her beauty, so Mother mine is clad by the sky

      Which sums it up for me...

      I can't listen to music while I'm at my devotions, I think because if there's music I should be making it - otherwise it's just distraction. And I'm talking about solitary devotions. I would dearly love to be part of a... would you call it a congregation? Was thinking about this just now in the car, iPod on shuffle, Guided By Voices (!) ended and on came 'Samarpanam (Dhuni mix)' by Cheb i Sabbah (1st track on 'Durga Maya') It's not exactly music - field recordings of, I guess, Bengali babas - but I could listen to that for hours. Too bad it only lasts 2 minutes.
      • Re: Music

        Thu, June 12, 2008 - 7:52 PM
        It was cool, in West Bengal we had a Baul sing us songs about Tara and on the train in Kolkata I bought sangeet LPs! There are still a bunch of Indian records from cool eras out there.
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    Re: Music

    Wed, June 11, 2008 - 11:11 PM
    yep. because i seem to be always interpreting everything personally and universally; if a thing dun apply within these contexts it rarely resonates with me.. generally speaking :D seems a fine line between divinity n narcissism but like they say there might be method to my madness.
    i dance more than i make music. i sing, and play guitar and piano. but how? i can only say that i'm not familiar with conventions.. i've only had a few dance and music lessons when i was a kid.. so it tends to get a bit absurd sometimes.

    Time is on my side.. yes it is!
    Rolling Stones

    and how do you do it?
    • Re: Music

      Wed, June 11, 2008 - 11:44 PM
      I bellydance as well as play music. Though I haven't done much in the playing music department for a while. I feel each of those skills can be used for many things, including puja or just a "hey Ma, this one's for you".

      One of my favourite belly dancers, Ariellah, whose style is what's called gothic fusion bellydance, put together a choreography as a devotion to Ma Kali on a DVD that is part of a "Fantasy" series. The particular one hers was on, was titled "Magic" and each of the three choreographies are very ritualistic for each of the women who did them. The song that Ariellah chose was called Filii Neidhardi by Corvus Corvax. Though it definitely isn't a traditional Indian song, I can see why she chose it and I do kinda feel a connection between that song and Ma.

      For me, dance can be a profound way to reach the divine within myself and without. Singing does the same, though it's a bit difficult at a Karaoke bar to feel "close to God". It's all about what resonates within your soul...for me, music definitely does that and I try to find any way I can to express it.

      If your interested in the dvd: www.youtube.com/watch

      The Band and that song: www.myspace.com/spielleute


      • Re: Music

        Thu, June 12, 2008 - 6:06 AM
        Devon, nice sounds, thanks! I'm all about the drone, and bagpipes? Nice one. Not to mention crazy East German dudes.
    • Re: Music

      Thu, June 12, 2008 - 6:03 AM
      If it resonates with you and you can turn that resonance into something you recognize as ecstasy, madness doesn't really need method.

      I'm a horn player mainly, and self-taught on guitar. Used to play in a band - modern jazz, free improv stuff mostly - and when it was going well, when I was really PLAYING, I knew it because I felt something play through me. I became, literally, a mouthpiece, and would just let it happen. Sometimes it was real, ecstatic trance (hopefully the audience understood - as you say, there's a very fine line between divinity and narcissism, esp. in modern jazz!).

      I want to get a tanpura so that I can have a drone accompanyment for japas, and I'm very, very drawn to learning the bansuri flute. I think that's going to be my next project, and I'd love to take it to the point where I can offer it up to Maa.
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        Re: Music

        Thu, June 12, 2008 - 7:12 AM
        a tanpura, japas, bansuri flute.. wow i have never heard of any of them. but they sound exotic!
        improvisational jazz trips me out it's awesome. i really respect artful collaboration.
        jam for Kali :D

        it is one of the most liberating feelings.. releasing the ego while entering trance.. it's only ever happened a couple of times while actually playing music.. phenomenal.. i only know a few chords on guitar, but i swear i sounded like Ry Cooder for a few hours :::DDD i lived in an island resort shack last year and after my sesh my neighbour was like 'wo.. was that you??' i was as stunned as he was it was UNREAL!!!!!! and there's no way i'm taking credit for it, or else i'd be busking the streets.

        k i'm gonna go look up pictures of tanpuras n japas mm.. tempura
      • Re: Music

        Thu, June 12, 2008 - 9:20 AM
        I have a bansuri, but it's been hard to teach myself!

        I also want to get a tanpura, it's my favorite sound for relaxation.
        • Re: Music

          Thu, June 12, 2008 - 10:01 AM
          What was difficult - the fingering or the blowing? I can play pipes/penny whistles etc, but it's the flute-style embouchure that I expect will be tricky.

          Also quite tempted by one of those electric tanpuras. Just because, really.
          • Re: Music

            Fri, June 13, 2008 - 9:50 AM
            the blowing. I could eventually get the hang of that. But if I don't practice, then 20 minutes later I'll forget how I positioned my lips and the flute. Gah it's so frustrating. It's old, too, so that may be part of it. But I have a hard time getting a clear sound, and by the time I do, I'm out of breath. haha.

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