12 Aspects of KALI

topic posted Tue, February 6, 2007 - 1:45 AM by  Joan o' fArt
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Too often, people seem to associate Kali with pure destruction and fail to see that in pure destruction resides pure creation. Also, as a dispeller of illusions, Kali represents a kind of divine trickster, a clown even, defying our notions of so-called reality. I have been told that there are 12 aspects of Kali- and that to those who respect her unadulterated power, she is the MOST compassionate goddess- Kwan Yin Bin Bubble Gum. I invite this discussion open to all the multifarious aspects of Kali.

From the VOID of our dark mother- birthed infinite possibilities.

As with the TAO, The REAL Kali is the Kali that can't be named.

-Kali Blah Blah
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  • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

    Tue, February 6, 2007 - 8:10 AM
    > As with the TAO, The REAL Kali is the Kali that can't be named.
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    Actually, you have Brahman confused with Shakti. Brahman cannot be named, as there is nothing to attach a name to besides pure existence itself. Kali, on the other hand, is the entirely of the collection of named and unnamed objects that comprise the physical universe, along with all the motive forces which push and pull them through their existences.
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      Sat, February 10, 2007 - 9:34 PM
      i remembered a part of the book, i suppose Robert Svoboda, where he describes Kali as the most beautifully sparkling kind and loving and caring Mother, non - violent - as when you have nothing to hide and nothing to fear of - then Ma is embracing you with Love and care!

      Jai kali Ma
    • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

      Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:38 AM
      Great God/dess. It's so rare that I am wrong- I am so glad to have put myself out there and learned something new. So Shakti is the all the physical matter in the universe (no wonder I am drawn to liberation through sexual energy which resides in the physical form). But pray tell- what are all the motive forces which push and pull these knowable and unknowable objects through their various incarnations. Karmas, desires??? What else????

      Om Hrim Shrim Klim Adya Kalika Param Eshwari Swaha
      • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

        Tue, February 20, 2007 - 6:13 AM
        > Karmas, desires??? What else????
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        Potential energy, elastic energy, kinetic energy, fusion, fission, momentum, strong force, weak force, magnetic force, gravity and whatever else is out there that we haven't discovered yet.

        But as far as humans go, karma and desire are the two biggies.
      • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

        Tue, April 24, 2007 - 12:37 PM
        According to Sankhya philosophy, which has been the foundation of Hindu cosmology since the rishi Kapila Muni originally posited it, the Universe consists of 25 tattvas or principles. Purusha (Siva) and Prakrti (Shakti) are the first two. From there we have Mahat (the Cosmic intelligence) which gives rise to the Ego (Ahamkara, or sense of an "I" as separate from the "other"). From this the fifth tattva arises: Mind. Since mind must have an object, we get the five tanmatras (subtle elements: sounds, feelings, forms, tastes, smells) and the five Mahabhutas (gross elements; i.e. Space, Air, Fire, Water, Earth). And because the mind must have a way to interact with these elements, we get the five Jnanendriyas (organs of knowledge - our conventional "five senses") and the five Karmendriyas (organs of action; i.e., speaking, grasping, locomotion, reproduction, and excretion).
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          Tue, April 24, 2007 - 12:51 PM
          Of course... written out like that it's just a schematic that doesn't really mean anything except as a pointer to "something". To really understand, you have to go out and live a few thousand lives, fully experience all manner of joys and sufferings, then spend another few thousand lives in worship and selfless service, and then spend a few thousand lives meditating. Or you can try to cram all of that into one life - with Her grace, you are sure to succeed.
  • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

    Thu, February 15, 2007 - 2:00 PM
    My mother named me Kali, and through life I have had so many people make fun of me and insult me for being named after " the goddess of death and destruction"... It was very hard when I was younger, but my beautiful mother always told me that KaliMa has many gifts and the gift of destruction and death only makes way for creation and rebirth. One must understand that everything is connected, and to have one thing you must have another... to have creation, you must have destrucion... It is a beautiful part of life.
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      Tue, February 20, 2007 - 1:10 AM
      It tickles me pink that fact that your tribe name is KaliFlower. KaliFlower Liberick was a surname I employed on tribe for awhile. I have a friend who knew me primarily over tribe that still calls me Kali Flower. I liked KaliFlower better than Brock Kali- which was another identity my partner in crime pegged me with in regards to the yoga jock flava of it. (I was such a yoga jock at the time). Really- the whole vegetable/Kali connection came with a phase of performance art I had where I was sticking broccoli, carrots, celery sticks, and human bones up my butthole as a way to help get over my insecurities around the size of my ass and to help release male sexual shame stored up the butt.

      My FAVORITE one of these series of pieces was when a 6'7" sex vampire tried to seduce me at a party and I got him onstage to strip. He whipped out his penis and I swear to God it was the largest dick I'd ever seen, half-hard at that. He started batting it in his hand like a police baton, slapping me in the face with it even. I whipped out a plastic bone (I couldn't find my real one) and compared his penis to the size of the bone. Not such a huge size difference- oh ma. I told the audience, "I'm going to trust THIS man to fuck me in the ass with THIS bone," pointing to the plastic bone, "and not this one," (wap wap wap in the face and his hand). Sure enough, he stuck the thing up my arse, and we cleared the audience to go and process by the fire.

      The men in my pod who actually paid witness to some of these stunts said they did feel a lot less shame around their masculine sexuality over the course of time. And then I actually got to give some of them anal massages and dance with their demons before the demons were cast off and expelled FOREVER! HOORAY!!!!!
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        Sun, April 1, 2007 - 1:35 PM
        Holy shit joan!!!!!! i thought I was the ONLY person fascinated with the void/Shaktism who also is totally into strapons..I'm honored to meet my true soul sister.So amazed and excited I can barely type. It's another Shakta miracle!
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      Re: Being named "Kali"

      Greetings from Seattle, just up the bioregion from you.

      Kali means transcendence and transformation, liberation into primordial being and vastness, among other intangibles.
      This is a most ancient, classical and sacred name. It is greatly greatly powerful.

      It is wrong and foolish to mock a sacred name and to mock a person who has involuntarily received such a name. If people are giving you a hard time ( for no cause given by you ) then you are better off without them.

      I think that any guy who mocks or sneers a at a girl or woman like that should be told his new name is "Dick Head".

      I received a "funny" or unusual name at birth. It is highly individualizing, and that is what westerners need to do: individualize.

      It is said

      "To be no-one but yourself
      In a world that is doing it's best
      Night and day
      To make you like everyone else
      Is to fight the hardest battle anyone can ever fight
      And to never stop fighting."

      That's from the poet "e.e.cummings".

      I think you'd like him.

      K T
  • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

    Fri, February 16, 2007 - 1:28 PM
    A dear friend of mine, fellow priestess and Hindu Devotee of Kali sent me this short piece on Kali Ma in response to a request I had from my students to understand Kali from a Hindu Devotees perspective. I thought I would share it here since you posted the question.

    namaste,
    mary samantha
    A Short Piece about Kali

    ...taken from ‘Daughters of the Goddess’ by Linda Johnsen

    “Brahma, the creator of our particular universe (there are of course many others) lives for 311,040,000,000,000 of our Earth years. Everything that we experience as real is merely Brahma’s dream. But Brahma himself was born from the dream of Vishnu, an infinitely vaster intelligence. A thousands times the length of Brahma’s life is just a few hours to Vishnu, who himself lives some 671,846, 400,000,000,000,000,000 of our years, according to the yogis. Brahma is born and dies, is reborn and dies again, over and over in the boundlessness of Vishnu’s dream, creating galaxies, withdrawing them, creating galaxies, withdrawing them. In every instant untold millions of other Brahmas are also taking birth and dying in Vishnu’s being.

    But all of Vishnu’s existence is barely a breath in the life of Mahdeva, ‘the Great God’ – Shiva himself. Millions and billions of Vishnus are taking ebirth at every moment in the infinity of Shiva’s meditation. And the yoginis, who should know, say Shiva himself lives for 87,071,293,440,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of our years. At the end of that eternity, even Shiva must pass away.

    But 1,000 of Shiva’s lifespans is just one glance from the Mother of the Universe.

    She is Maha Kali, the Devourer, eternity itself.

    ‘I am the intelligence from which the universe emanates and in which it inheres, like a reflection in the mirror. The ignorant believe I am merely inert matter, but the wise experience me as the true Self within themselves. They glimpse me when their minds become as still and clear as an ocean without waves.

    Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, the Gods of of all the directions and their energies, indeed every entity on all planes of existence, are manifestations of myself. My power is too vast to be imagined. Yet beings do not know me because their minds are shrouded in ignorance. That too is my power.

    The supreme wisdom is that which ends the delusion that anyone or anything exists apart from myself. The fruit of this realisation is fearlessness and the end of sorrow. When one realises that all the limitless universes are a fraction of an atom in the unity of my being, that all the numberless lives in the universes are a wisp of vapor in one of my breaths, that all the triumps and tragedies, the good and evil in all the worlds, are merely my unconsidered, spontaneous play, then life and death stand still, and the drama of individual life evaporates like a shallow pond on a warm day.

    You are experiencing me now, yet you do not recognise me. There is no remedy for your ignorance other than to worship me as your innermost Self. Surrender yourself to me with joyful, one-pointed devotion, and I will help you discover your true being. Abide in my consciousness as continuously and effortlessly as the ignorant abide in their bodies. Abide in me as I abide in you. Know that even now there is absolutely no difference between us. Realise it now !’

    When the Tantra describes the Goddess, it is not talking about a multi-armed female deity in a sari. Nor is it speaking of her as the ancient Greeks called Gaia (the Hindus call her Bhumeshvari, ‘Goddess of the Earth’) because the earth will perish and the Goddess will not. She is what remains after the cosmos itself has dissolved, after every last proton has decayed and the final wave of energy has dissipated. And from the infinite emptiness of her being , new universes will again burst forth. Without end. Because she is not bothered with beginnings or endings. She is Reality. She is what is, whether anything else at all is or is not.

    This Goddess – you cannot ask how she came to be, because she never came into existence: she is what we mortals call existence itself. Whatever it is that is the root of you and me and the saints and the planets and the stars and the space between the stars – that is she. Our scientists know she is there and that she is awesome, but they don’t know how to describe her (though they struggle with their equations) and they don’t realise she is conscious – though her level of consciousness is something infinitely beyond our understanding. They certainly never imagine that in her omnipotence she can assume a human body and walk amongst us: that infact she has assumed the body that is holding this book !

    This, at least, is the belief of the ‘shaktas’ (believers in Shakti), the devotees of the Goddess in India. They claim theirs is the most ancient of all religions, and that is why Shaktism permeates most other schools of Indian thought; it is the very heart of Tantra. The women saints of India expouse this view, though they use different terms to express it. They differ from us in that they seek not to learn or to teach about the Goddess, but to wholly embody her. Because they incarnate the Divine, unselfconsciously they evoke her in us”.

    * * * * * * * * * * * *
    Dear Priestesses

    So we can see from this that as Hindus understand it, Kali, or the Great Goddess is All. She is behind everything, even the Gods. So Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva etc are emanations of her spirit. In that sense, spiritually she is his mother, as she is the mother to us all.

    Hinduism is like quicksand, the deeper you go, the deeper it gets. There is no bottom line truth, it just keeps growing, widening, sinking, expanding...it is alive. It cannot be defined.

    I think this is the biggest mistake Westerners make when they go to India because they go seeking this bottom-line truth, the ‘answer’. When there is none. Each priest/temple/province will tell you a different story, drawing you in, confusing you, drowning all your knowledge and expectation, confounding your efforts to ‘understand’. Of course they all believe their part of the story – and it is true. But it’s just a part of a huge mystical energy and presence that cannot be explained, just felt and experienced.

    I think in the end the people that really ‘get’ India are those that give up trying to understand. They surrender, and join in the dance. There is no ‘right’ way to worship, pray, offer yourself to the Gods. There is only the individual heart, and to give that to the Divine, requires the utmost exquisite surrender known to man. I think that is what Shiva is doing when he lies sweetly and serenely at Kali’s feet as she ramages through the world. He gives himself to her – even him, the great Shiva, has to surrender to the ultimate divinity herself.

    So there you have it my darling Sam. A taste of mystical Hinduism. This is why I find it hard to ‘fit into to’ pagan cultures here, because my atoms have been set to cosmic setting – so talk of wheels and circles and spells I find confusing. My access to the Goddess is through my heart and soul, that’s how I’ve been taught.

    A pagan friend came round the other day. She saw my Kali statue in the living room and was like – ‘ooh, you shouldn’t show Kali like that in public – have you had a lot of bad luck since she’s been in your life ?’ And I just didn’t know what to say – because to me Kali is not a bad omen goddess – she is the universe itself ! How to explain that quickly ! It’s two different worldviews colliding.

    So I think there is much misunderstanding around Kali in pagan circles. Yes she is powerful and ‘terrible’ – but that’s not the whole story. You my dear pointed to the truth when you said your experience of Kali was as ‘reality itself’ – and that is precisely what she is. In Kundalini yoga, we do a mantra – ‘Sat Nam’ – which means ‘Truth is my Name, Truth is my Nature’ – and I think what is what Kali represents – a love of truth.

    I am a lover of truth. That is why I belong to Kali, and she belongs to me. I’m not scared of her in that sense – when I see pictures of her as a demoness ogre, I just see her incredible awesome power – but at the very heart of it all – Kali has the love of a powerful mother for her creation, and that is me, and us, and this. So I cannot fear her, I can only approach her and enter into a relationship with her. As my yoga teacher says – Kali takes away that is which is not real – and for that I am grateful, as painful as that can be sometimes – at others it is the sweetest relief, the utmost divine joy.

    The trick with Kali is not to approach her with caution or respect (as my pagan friend sagely advised). It is to go to her with sincerity. Sincerity is the heart’s calling. And with that sweet truth and humbleness and earnest passion to know or seek – I think that is all she asks of us. And when she hears us, she gives us beautiful divine lessons in knowing herself, the universe, all that is.

    I asked Kali for a beautiful baby and look at my amazing result. The most divine baby in the world – who came from me ! And the lesson I had to learn to have her ? To surrender completely ! Even before the surgeon’s sword. As a Warrioress, Kali had to teach me surrender – because the point of fighting is to achieve peace. And peace is surrender, peace is letting go. So I think this will be my lesson of motherhood also. To give up and let go. To be a true warrior of the heart and just love. That is the route to my being. And that is what Kali is teaching me. It makes me cry it really does – I find it so humbling that I am being taught the most beautiful lesson there is for any human being, to open my heart and let my love come out. Oh yes, that is why I am a Goddess also

    * * * * * * * * * * * *

    In answer to your specifc questions Sam – I’m sure you’re aware all Hindu gods and goddesses are paired up in sacred union. There is Shiva and Parvati, Krishna and Radha, Ganesh and Skanda and so on. But interestingly, sometimes the male consort assumes the female form, other times the two are so fused they are presented in hermaphrodite form. I have seen pictures of Shiva with both breasts and lingam ! Yes Krishna is very feminine, but actually so is Shiva. Sometimes it is hard to tell whether he is male or female – he is very beautiful. Krishna is playful, Shiva is more serious. Shiva is a serious meditator and likes to be left alone. Parvati had to get really good at meditation to get Shiva to notice her ! Whereas Krishna is a bit of a playboy – he likes chasing the cow-girls (female shepherds). So they are different energies – but all of them end in sacred union with their opposites. Vishnu adopted his female half’s form (Mohnini) in order to defeat the demons – he had tried everything and knew that it was only by adopting the feminine form that he could finally outdo them.

    Indian mythology is full of warrioresses. They all go into battle those goddesses. It’s part of the cosmic play. Durga the warrior goddess fights the demons and then produces Kali from her Third Eye to really defeat them once and for all. Vishnu realises it is only his feminine form that can finally defeat the demons. The men fight but the women fight more – righteous anger and justice – it is a Goddesses birthright.

    a fwd from my friend, Shilpa Mehta.

    The following poem is my own work however, How I understand the many aspects of Kali. You can read more about these views including an article on Kali-Fornia on my tribe page.

    namaste.

    Dark One beyond the Sun.
    homage to the mother.

    Lady, they say you are so dark.
    but all is blackness when looking beyond the sun.
    I have seen you in the black of my own eyes, shimmering with power, I can scarce realize.

    Your arms are arms of plenty,
    like a black spider weaving, measuring, cutting.
    your lips drip with blood as you smile from your web of life, devourer or demons and vice.

    Mother I call to you in joy and pain,
    You who dance on your husband in your zeal
    some say you are terrible and frightening, they are right, we are the same.

    kali ma, Jai Ma! Victory is the song you dance through in the night.
    The Night that lies in the blackness at the center of a woman's eye, the blackness that holds the sun, giving it meaning and purpose.

    Your body is beautiful and black, stars shimmer upon you like jewels.
    Mother teach me your ecstatic dance across all illusion, oh you who sees through all illusion to the deep black beyond the sun.





    • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

      Fri, February 16, 2007 - 3:53 PM
      >>‘ooh, you shouldn’t show Kali like that in public – have you had a lot of bad luck since she’s been in your life ?’

      ha! your friend sounds like she brings bad luck upon herself by worrying about it too much.

      Kali, bad luck?? ALL luck is more like it. "*slap!* wake up and look at the world without your blinders!" is what She says to people. that makes some people... uncomfortable.

      yep, Kali is everything, that is what the Kali-Kula Shaktas believe.

      I'd say, remember this about Hinduism - it's all make believe and it's all 100% true.

      use that as your guideline and I think you'll grok India's religion no matter why you go there!
      • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

        Wed, February 21, 2007 - 11:05 AM
        Thank you so much for your endearing and enduring account of Kali Miss Mary. I cried when I read the first part of it, and it is SUCH a delicious way to start my day. Reminds me of what is really important as I continue to do my worldly duties for the day.

        I have mixed feelings about intense Kali worship indoors as I nearly burned down my apartment when a painting I had of her on my altar was spontaneously cremated. Although- I think some of this had to do with the petty requests in the form of many small objects on my altar that I was accumulating. It's kind of a paradox to make requests for anything from the Goddess of Death.

        Yes, all make-believe and 100% true. I personally prefer Hindoodooism- a combination of Hinduism and Doo Doo Magic. My partner in crime Toylit and I (people know me as Log) gave birth to Doo Doo magic (brown as opposed to black magic) when he stuck a human bone up my ass to symbolize the marriage of the yang principle of VooDoo with the feminine principle of Dada. I have a Kali VooDoo head that you'd love, Saul.

        Dada, of course, is the ultimate in make-believe&irrationality and represents the acausal aspect of reality as well as the mysterious nature of the feminine in the form of ART. Hindoodoo Kali worship and magick includes improvised ritual based on invested belief spawned from one's own imagination as opposed to the hard-and-fast ritual of traditional Indian puja. This is the realm of Kali Liberick (Liberick being a cross between Liberate and Limmerick).

        All these cause-and-effect karma heads forget that every meme- iincluding causality- that spits from Kali's void must have its accompanying polarity to balance the cosmic equation. If karma is real, then so is its opposite- that there is NO cause to any of this and that when shit happens, there's not always some huge cosmic fucking reason- stemming from one's guilt, shame, or regret that they might have done something different to avoid the burn. Kali obviously burned herself up on my altar because SHE LOVES TO MOTHER FUCKING BURN#$%^@@$#%(7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

          Mon, March 12, 2007 - 1:48 AM
          i heard reciting bija mantra can make one angry if prone to it...
          it is good to spontaneously worship Her.
          pure love draws the Mother unfailingly.
          Mother is the destroyer of worldly desire and fear when prayed to.
          and furniture....
    • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

      Wed, February 21, 2007 - 2:20 AM
      oh, you shouldn’t show Kali like that in public – have you had a lot of bad luck since she’s been in your life ?’
      don't worry i have a nice big kali shrine too, for years and never ever brought me bad luck, now shes tattooed large on my back. The tattooist who is into meditation and buddism was a bit worried i was putting "HER" on my back, but she too was under the general misunderstanding of kali's nature. I did have some worrys it might change me , i like to joke about having instant karma .....
      but never bad luck .
    • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

      Sun, March 4, 2007 - 12:21 AM
      Mary that was a beautiful piece. The divine mother Kali is time herself. she wears the symbols of death as ornaments and clothes because she is beyond death. Birth and death are but her games.We do not worship because of some attraction to death and corpses any more than christians are cannibals because they eat the body and drink the blood of christ.

      We worship her as the essence of existence, the motive force of existence as well as the enery and the wisdom that brings this universe to life.sooner or later we will realise that we are part of her.

      It is the same reality that Hindus worship in the form of different dieties. Vishnu Shiva or Ma Kali are but masks which we put on the one essential truth. Human beings choose the "Mask" which suits their particular mental and genetic make up in this birth. Hinduism is not a polytheistic religion it beleives in one god who expresses himself in myraid forms.
      • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

        Sun, March 4, 2007 - 6:33 AM
        > Hinduism is not a polytheistic religion it beleives in one god who expresses himself in myraid forms.
        *****
        Ramakrishna said: "As many faiths, so many paths."
  • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

    Mon, March 12, 2007 - 1:38 AM
    the debate of the psychologocal, eschatological, philosophical
    Nature of the Goddess is perhaps fun and important. at least i think so.
    who thinks Kali is a living God?
    does anyone want to experience the God directly?
    if She births the material world could She also dwell in it?
    it seems human science is somewhat contrived when faced with Supreme Conciousness.
    • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

      Fri, April 6, 2007 - 4:02 PM
      > if She births the material world could She also dwell in it?
      *****
      Only in the imaginations of those who employ the iconography that has arisen to represent Her.
      • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

        Mon, May 21, 2007 - 2:24 PM
        hello everyone, kaalii herself writing :o))))

        for anyone interested in research and inspiriation on kaalii i strongly recomend the work of david R. Kinsley... i used his work a lot in my final thesis which was on the way kaalii was depicted throughout the indian sacred (and less sacred ;o) literature...

        u will find that kaalii was indeed originaly very harsh, cruel, destructive (and loving it ;o)) aspect of divine.. darker than the darkest aspects of shiva (later associated as her husband/partner but originally she was one of the marriage-free godesses, feared by the gods themselves and very unwelcome at their gatherings,, parties, yajnas etc... however - called upon when even they had no solution to the problem)

        only later was she married with shiva through association of her with the black aspect of, normally sweeter, parvati)...

        and even later was she associated with being a Ma... however at the emergence of bhakti in indian spirituality (quite late phenomenon in the huge history of indian 'religion(s)', mind u, although quite predominant nowadays) - this ma-aspect of her became more and more emphasized so that we have her a lot in quite diluted and much more acceptable form...

        IMHO, indian spirituality lost a bit of the wholeness by diluting kaalii... it had very interesting 'explanation' for the true 'evil' God put on the world (death of innocent, plagues, massacres...) which was a big unexplained area in western religions - put to the hands of (d)evil and separated from the divine.. thus separating humans from it as well... making some 'dark' aspects of nature as 'fallen'... dividing, outcasting, disconnecting, un-yoging ;o) ...

        i've discovered more materials and facts but kinsley covers fairly well most... and, importantly - is readable by non-indologists... (we tend to be boring dry 'facts' worshipping scolars :o)))
        my work is still unfortunaltely in my mother tongue (croatian) so i cannot share it with u... maybe i translate it once...
        coz this type of knowledge isn't so much intersting to me as it used to be...
        but it is very inspiring...
        and i would think it would be to some of u, dear fearless people - so i briefly outlined on kaalii here...

        love, kaalii
        • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

          Mon, May 21, 2007 - 3:09 PM
          > for anyone interested in research and inspiriation on kaalii i strongly recomend the work of david R. Kinsley
          *****
          I can recommend Sarah Caldwell:

          www.amazon.com/exec/obido...476-7213409

          And Ajit Mookerjee:

          www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_s...476-7213409

          However, I think it's very important for folks to discriminate between the mytho-poetic depictions of Kali, and the very real Mahashakti they seek relationship with. The ideas about Kali as they exist in cultures East and West is one thing, the Mahashakti is another... entirely. In other words, all these ideas about dark goddesses and vanquishing evil can form the basis of a *projection* we might have about Kali, but the Mahashaki transcends any and all such projections. Conversely, your Kali may seem to have very little in common with the cultural artifacts which depict Her, but that doesn't mean She is any less authentic than any Kalis rendered with more attention paid to the traditional iconography.
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            Mon, May 21, 2007 - 3:28 PM
            add June McDaniel to that list, along with Rachel Fell McDermott. I appreciate the scholarship of both very much (and both are very communicative if you speak with them)... Encountering Kali was edited by McDermott and Kripal, and the contributions are from a range of (IMHO) worthy scholars.
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            Tue, May 22, 2007 - 4:22 AM
            off course, jodie!
            it's important to discriminate between the two... and smtms to seek connection, too ;o)
            that's why we have the power of the focus...

            my offering was not underestimating this power in any of the people who post here...
            • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

              Tue, May 22, 2007 - 5:41 AM
              > my offering was not underestimating this power in any of the people who post here...
              *****
              Nor was mine a defense of such, just a reminder that the Kali we love is so much more than just the cultural traces She's left for us.
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                Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

                Tue, May 22, 2007 - 10:15 AM
                Yet another healthy Kali and concepts/ideas thread. I think She has a sense of humor, and I'm chuckling at myself for making this post.

                Some ideas are crystal clear. Regardless of their clarity experiencing with a consciousness of ideas is like holding a pane of glass between your eyes and looking at the sky through it. The light will bend before it reaches your eyes. Even a scientist knows that! (chuckle)

                If reading this has preoccupied you please do something else.

                Jack
                • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

                  Tue, May 22, 2007 - 12:27 PM
                  Well said, Jack. I get a chuckle out of all the ideas I/we bandy about, too. Some of them are quite beautiful.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
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                    Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

                    Tue, May 22, 2007 - 1:16 PM
                    Rampasad said something much better:

                    MY KALI FLIES MILLIONS OF MIND KITES

                    My Kali flies millions of mind kites
                    in the windy bazaar of relativity
                    human egos that dart and float
                    in the empty sky,
                    secured only by invisible strings,
                    Mother's power of miraculous activity.

                    Kali constructs these marvelous kites
                    from cosmic elements
                    to express her own sublime joy.
                    Their wood, glue, and paper bodies
                    are composed of bone, nerve, and skin.
                    The colorful pattern of each kite is unique,
                    its design intricate and refined.

                    The kite strings are soaked in sticky resin,
                    egocentric pleasure, to make them hold strong,
                    and these strings are imbued with ground glass,
                    Mother's liberating wisdom,
                    to make them sharp.
                    When one kite in a hundred thousand is cut free
                    by the razor edge of nonduality,
                    you laugh in delight, O Goddess,
                    and clap your hands in childlike glee,
                    sounding your high-pitched cry of victory.

                    This poet is thrown into ecstasy:
                    "May the kite of my mind break free,
                    ride the great wind of divine energy
                    across the ocean of opacity,
                    and drift down gently
                    on the transparent shore
                    of Kali's mystery"

                    Jack

                    • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

                      Sun, June 3, 2007 - 1:03 AM
                      Amma


                      I have walked the ground where they made you, Mother
                      whirling with dust & wind
                      my mouth dry & pacing
                      the sound of your eternal hum in my ears
                      whipping my mind into you
                      whipping all minds into you
                      melting all Mind.

                      I see all the whims you dropped onto the earth,
                      forgotten like unimportant toys
                      when you picked up your weapons, Amma,
                      to go & fight the worst demons
                      that live in all of us now
                      in towering battle
                      & pure cosmic rage –

                      your tongue blood-red
                      dripping rich with the element of soul’s passage,
                      of life & death & creation & more creation

                      & endless, infinite thirst to lick up
                      all the greed & selfishness of ignorant, shameful
                      egoism
                      that you can swallow
                      in your great gaping gulps
                      of ferocious love….

                      I used to wonder, “when are you coming for me?”
                      dreaming
                      in meditative states of suspended excitement
                      at reunion and half-fear,
                      dread that you wouldn’t love me
                      as much as I haven’t loved me
                      all these years in this body,
                      making these mistakes,
                      hurting innocence,
                      creating such chaos in the hearts & minds
                      of those I professed to love the most….

                      could I even see you, through the pile
                      the insurmountable pile of skulls & bones,
                      regrets & heartbreaks, looming between us?

                      but then one night
                      I met you face-on & knew you,
                      knew your high wild divine nature
                      as well as I know my own,

                      your eyes glittering black diamonds
                      the light bouncing in all directions but once,
                      just once,
                      purely focused in mine
                      emblazoning your way into my soul
                      for an eternity…

                      sure, I could hardly stand up,
                      a child, a real child in the hurricane,
                      all the internal winds
                      of your impossible love swirling in my heart
                      until
                      it was drunk with the Om,
                      drunk with the primordial sound of creation,
                      drunk with the swoop & shudder of you,
                      drunk & threatening to pass on or pass out
                      limp at your feet
                      prone & mute before the very majesty
                      of your silent thundering self…

                      I came from You!

                      did You ever begin?
                      there certainly could be no end!

                      long-tongued & regal, plump & dark
                      like the most sacred night of my own life,
                      the blackness of birth,
                      the anguish of soul yearning,
                      the endless sky against which
                      every star is just so much careless jewelry
                      scattered & sparkling like gems in a crown

                      oh, Mother, you are the crown of heaven,
                      the halo of stars, the galaxy in my heart

                      the fusion the knowing the depth the endless growing

                      in my soul you are in me now, Ma, & I am in you
                      & it has always been thus but for the fog,
                      the incredibly cloying velvet fog of forgetfulness
                      in whose cloth you wrapped me at birth
                      & nursed me in loss
                      & fed me, alive, to the deaths of those I loved most,

                      & through which shimmering veil, now,
                      grace of a pure tiger,

                      I can stand naked, wobbly on two feet

                      & see you

                      clearly

                      through all of my eyes

                      & know

                      finally

                      in the wind of your breath
                      in the storm of your eyes
                      in the lightning of your touch
                      in the bones of my form
                      in the blood in my heart

                      in all directions

                      what it really means
                      to come home.



                      -Alx Uttermann
  • Re: 12 Aspects of KALI

    Sat, August 2, 2008 - 6:06 AM
    I understand the Tao reference. I was asked last night who Kali is, is she good or evil and I said, "She IS". And that is all I can say to synopsize it. To vocalize more would take the similar amount of time as describing Tao. Some things just ARE. Shakti as the energy in the universe is, as the physicists tell us, convertable into matter and vice versa. So all that is can potentially be all else that is. If time is an illusion, and all that is eventually comes from and becomes all else, than we are all that is or all that has been and all that will be at any given moment as all moments are the same. And this truth is the delight of Kali. To be honest Kali who is also the void which is the ultimate source, ultimate background and ultimate destination of all things is greater than all other representations, in my opinion, because she requires no one else to exist. What she represents is independent of all things, but all else is dependent on what she represents.

    On my altar are three gods, Ganesh as the entrance of all paths, Kali as the representative of all energy and the sources of all matter, Shiva as the conciousness of all matter and the ultimate user of all energy and the destroyer of all things, and in that destruction is the source of matter's conversion back to energy. This division of aspects is all in my head. I am aware that Kali is all these things and more which I cannot comprehend, but I cannot absorb her all at once. Just a fraction of her presence threatens to overwhelm me and my Ego will not allow that at this time.

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